New players don't know what's been lost forever
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Mon May 26, 2014 12:08 pm
#60565- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
COD4 - Simple class setup, no pandering to a style of play
WAW - Never played MP, but zombies was the best in the series
MW2 - Simple class setup, but more hectic gameplay than earlier games
BO - Slightly more complicated classes, but still manageable customization. No pandering to specific playstyles. Hectic gunfights, and many good weapons.
MW3 - Copy paste version of MW2 without some of the bullcrap, but something felt off. Maps were too crowded, but the weapons were great. Hectic gameplay, but community continued on long downhill slide.
BO2 - Complicated class system. Panders to "professional" gamers. Futuristic style was more bland than previous games. Weapons felt off except a few of the guns that everyone gravitated to. Community continues to grow younger gameplay skews towards the MLG crowd.
Ghosts - Feels like a throwback to earlier MW series games in terms of gameplay, but the class system is uber-complicated. Outrageous number of perks. Only a few weapons dominate gameplay. Maps are surprisingly good. However, community is the worst of any COD thus far. Panders less to MLG type crowd, so they complain and get weapons patched to their liking.
Advanced Warfare - Totally pandering to pro gamers from what interviews say thus far. I have absolutely no hopes for the gameplay. Made by the team that did MW3 MP.
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I went back and played all the earlier CODs last week. The games get more complicated each year, but the gameplay goes downhill. The new community has no idea what has been lost in MW2 and BO. Even without the nostalgia blinders on, I can say that MW2 and BO were the peak of the COD community. And now with more pandering to pro gameplay, the series will continue its slide into oblivion. I have no interest playing a game that trades enjoyment for vanilla MLG "balance"
WAW - Never played MP, but zombies was the best in the series
MW2 - Simple class setup, but more hectic gameplay than earlier games
BO - Slightly more complicated classes, but still manageable customization. No pandering to specific playstyles. Hectic gunfights, and many good weapons.
MW3 - Copy paste version of MW2 without some of the bullcrap, but something felt off. Maps were too crowded, but the weapons were great. Hectic gameplay, but community continued on long downhill slide.
BO2 - Complicated class system. Panders to "professional" gamers. Futuristic style was more bland than previous games. Weapons felt off except a few of the guns that everyone gravitated to. Community continues to grow younger gameplay skews towards the MLG crowd.
Ghosts - Feels like a throwback to earlier MW series games in terms of gameplay, but the class system is uber-complicated. Outrageous number of perks. Only a few weapons dominate gameplay. Maps are surprisingly good. However, community is the worst of any COD thus far. Panders less to MLG type crowd, so they complain and get weapons patched to their liking.
Advanced Warfare - Totally pandering to pro gamers from what interviews say thus far. I have absolutely no hopes for the gameplay. Made by the team that did MW3 MP.
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I went back and played all the earlier CODs last week. The games get more complicated each year, but the gameplay goes downhill. The new community has no idea what has been lost in MW2 and BO. Even without the nostalgia blinders on, I can say that MW2 and BO were the peak of the COD community. And now with more pandering to pro gameplay, the series will continue its slide into oblivion. I have no interest playing a game that trades enjoyment for vanilla MLG "balance"
Mon May 26, 2014 12:49 pm
#60566- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
I was having this discussion yesterday, and I think I got the most enjoyment out of BO1.....sniping was a non factor, maps were good, bullet damage was the lowest....good game modes (express and HQ, along with bare bones)
Mon May 26, 2014 12:59 pm
#60567- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
I think BO1 and MW2 are pretty much tied in my mind. MW2 was more hectic and quick than BO, but it had the disadvantage of annoying hackers and tubers. BO1 was probably the peak of Call of Duty as a whole though. COD was big on Youtube, big in how much people were hyped, big in how much people talked about it in real life. It's lost all of that now.
Honestly, those days are long gone and lost forever. You know COD is a dying series when the only time people talk about it is to reminisce about the old games. Newer CODs just don't do it for people anymore. I seriously have zero hopes for any future Call of Duty games. I'll probably still buy and play for a bit with my buddies, but no more hardcore COD playing for me. I still enjoy Ghosts, but even then I don't play all that much. I'm in college and have better stuff to do now (well except for summer). lol
But man, we need to find a game we all enjoy. I really, really, really miss gaming with L3. Some lulzy times we've had.
Honestly, those days are long gone and lost forever. You know COD is a dying series when the only time people talk about it is to reminisce about the old games. Newer CODs just don't do it for people anymore. I seriously have zero hopes for any future Call of Duty games. I'll probably still buy and play for a bit with my buddies, but no more hardcore COD playing for me. I still enjoy Ghosts, but even then I don't play all that much. I'm in college and have better stuff to do now (well except for summer). lol
But man, we need to find a game we all enjoy. I really, really, really miss gaming with L3. Some lulzy times we've had.
Mon May 26, 2014 1:16 pm
#60568- zcsmanMember
- Location : Massachusetts
If AW is as bad as Ghosts..it may be the end of CoD. Hopefully the devs are actually listening to us. Hope they make it better for competitive too.
Mon May 26, 2014 1:37 pm
#60569- KerzoR9
- Location : Scotland
They're not listening, they won't listen, if you buy it anyway 'to play with buddies' then all your bitching and moaning is completely moot. It's harsh but it's the truth. It's done. One by one we are moving on. Some with call of duty and even some with gaming completely. It's happened with V and it will happen with us. At least we have this place to keep in touch daily.
May be a bit pessimistic but it's how I see it at least.
On a side note cod4 doesn't even work anymore some error that prevents the game from starting up when online so yeah, it's finished.
May be a bit pessimistic but it's how I see it at least.
On a side note cod4 doesn't even work anymore some error that prevents the game from starting up when online so yeah, it's finished.
Mon May 26, 2014 1:39 pm
#60570- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
There is so much in Ghosts that makes no sense. Like the Menus in MP are useless. The Barracks used to tell you a bunch of stuff on the right side, now it's just a blank space. New IW basically copied and pasted from MW3 and removed a bunch of features to make Ghosts. T.R.A.S.H.
Mon May 26, 2014 1:39 pm
#60571Mon May 26, 2014 1:50 pm
#60572- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
The more E-Sports has to do with COD, the worse the games are gonna get. Professional Gamers are crybaby toxic scum on the community.
Mon May 26, 2014 2:01 pm
#60573- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
Ik0n wrote:COD2 was definitely the most fun.
I want gaming at the time, but it really seems like that would have been a great game to play
Vette, keep Evolve in mind, I think we'd have some fun with that
Mon May 26, 2014 3:56 pm
#60574- zcsmanMember
- Location : Massachusetts
Vette wrote:The more E-Sports has to do with COD, the worse the games are gonna get. Professional Gamers are crybaby toxic scum on the community.
I disagree..
Tue May 27, 2014 5:45 pm
#60587- SyndromeAdmin
- Location : Ohio, USA
Kerzo wrote:
On a side note cod4 doesn't even work anymore some error that prevents the game from starting up when online so yeah, it's finished.
It does still work. I have gotten that HTML error thing everytime. Where its asks you yes or no or something? Make sure when you are starting up COD, to have your ethernet unplugged from the console. After it gets to the menu, then pop it back in and sign in.
On another NOTE
MW2 and BO1 had just as much to ruining the series as any COD released. MW2 was the first to introduce "Cold Blooded". Hides you from UAV and Air support. BO1 had "Ghost". Hid you from EVERYTHING. Those perks were the end of a style of gaming and the birth a new style. Thus in turn, ruining the community.
MW2 had great shotguns, BO1 had terrible snipers. Things to love about both.
MW2 had crazy high powered streaks that were STACKABLE! BO1 terrible game sound. Things to clearly dislike.
Same can be said for every COD released.
The introduction of higher speed internet, really crippled the entire system. They introduced "Lag COmpensation". Which may have been in the game forever, but not at such a drastic measure.
With all that said - the ONE thing that made COD enjoyable night in and night out... was gaming with you all.
Now no one is on expect a select few. Now Natas and I bitch and moan more about this game. If more people were to get on Ghosts and we had 4-5 man parties every night, I have no doubt in my mind it could be just as fun as MW2.
While Ghosts "Menu's" seem complicated.. they really are not that complicated. In fact, they are quite easy to understand. The OP streaks of days gone by since MW2.. are gone. The perk that defined a playstyle for the new generation - Useless. Why? Because they nerfed UAV. It now takes 2 simultaneous Satcomms called in to = 1 normal UAV.
In fact, the only thing I DONT like about this game (Besides the community), is the gamemode selection. And with the recent addition of Dropzone, its gotten better.
Seriously.. Ghosts is not bad at all. Might even be my favorite COD since Cod4.
Tue May 27, 2014 6:12 pm
#60590- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
The physical act of playing mW3 was horrible the other night, but talking shit with everyone definitely made it worth it. Game is trash, the people here are great
Tue May 27, 2014 6:38 pm
#60593- KerzoR9
- Location : Scotland
Yeah syn I know about that tip mate. Just not really an option when 2 or 3 others in my house are on the internet and I have to reset the router. I be sitting there like...
Tue May 27, 2014 11:12 pm
#60635- Steelray25Member
Syndrome wrote:
MW2 and BO1 had just as much to ruining the series as any COD released. MW2 was the first to introduce "Cold Blooded". Hides you from UAV and Air support. BO1 had "Ghost". Hid you from EVERYTHING. Those perks were the end of a style of gaming and the birth a new style. Thus in turn, ruining the community.
While Ghosts "Menu's" seem complicated.. they really are not that complicated. In fact, they are quite easy to understand. The OP streaks of days gone by since MW2.. are gone. The perk that defined a playstyle for the new generation - Useless. Why? Because they nerfed UAV. It now takes 2 simultaneous Satcomms called in to = 1 normal UAV.
In fact, the only thing I DONT like about this game (Besides the community), is the gamemode selection. And with the recent addition of Dropzone, its gotten better.
Seriously.. Ghosts is not bad at all. Might even be my favorite COD since Cod4.
CoD4 had UAV Jammer. You just didn't see it used very much because everyone else was leaning on Stopping Power or Juggernaught. Then again, everyone else was moving, not hiding like little....
I'll let it go for now.
You make a few good points in Ghosts favor. The problem is the community sucks worse than ever. In turn, Ghosts pretty much sucks. I'll go away for weeks or months, come back, nothing has changed. Same lame "tactics." Zero fun to be had.
Tue May 27, 2014 11:44 pm
#60637- SyndromeAdmin
- Location : Ohio, USA
Steelray25 wrote:
CoD4 had UAV Jammer. You just didn't see it used very much because everyone else was leaning on Stopping Power or Juggernaught. Then again, everyone else was moving, not hiding like little....
I'll let it go for now.
You make a few good points in Ghosts favor. The problem is the community sucks worse than ever. In turn, Ghosts pretty much sucks. I'll go away for weeks or months, come back, nothing has changed. Same lame "tactics." Zero fun to be had.
UAV Jammer. Completely different. Hiding from a UAV is one thing. Not being able to hide from the chopper that had no lock on launchers is a different animal. Ghost perk and cold blooded hid you from all streaks right? Then more perks came out that hid you from everything.
Wed May 28, 2014 4:15 am
#60640- sharpPUSB
- Location : City of Dreams, England
Youtube ruined cod. Everyone knew how to abuse setups instantly. No working it out for yourself, no having fun. Turned 90% of players into k/d whores
Killfarming in objectives, and camping as a 'style' was a direct result of youtube imo
Killfarming in objectives, and camping as a 'style' was a direct result of youtube imo
Wed May 28, 2014 4:35 pm
#60654- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
Syn, I didn't mean the menus of Ghosts are complicated (they are the simplest in the series...lol) I meant that the perks were outrageous. Why have so many that barely help? The community just gravitates towards a few anyways. I wish they had kept with the older style system but cut it down to 2 tiers: weapon perk and ability perk. Weapon perk helps you do something special like reload faster while the ability is something like UAV Jammer or SitRep.
Wed May 28, 2014 11:46 pm
#60667- Mick281Member
- Location : TX
It sucks I didn't get to enjoy MW3 or BO1. Playing on my garbage TV that had a 500ms response time ruined it. BO2 would of got no playing time aswell, have I did not discover playing on a computer monitor.
So for that I say COD4, BO2, WAW, MW2, BO1, MW3.
So for that I say COD4, BO2, WAW, MW2, BO1, MW3.
Thu May 29, 2014 10:08 am
#60673- AlphaI like Pink
Didn't read through here but I got pissed watching a kid play yesterday. Had to switch his PS3 from HDMI to AV without the screen. Once I got it on he put BO2 on. Not only I watch every spy plane put up show 0 fking dots (6 pussies) but he was walking everywhere. I asked why he didn't run and the answer was that button didn't work, and he wouldn't play with the other 2 remotes sitting there that did work because they weren't camo color.
Thu May 29, 2014 10:56 am
#60675- Mick281Member
- Location : TX
Well I've heard the Camo controller makes you a 2 KD player.
Poor kid didn't realize he was talking to a legend. Lol.
Poor kid didn't realize he was talking to a legend. Lol.
Thu May 29, 2014 1:15 pm
#60686- SyndromeAdmin
- Location : Ohio, USA
Alpha wrote:Didn't read through here but I got pissed watching a kid play yesterday. Had to switch his PS3 from HDMI to AV without the screen. Once I got it on he put BO2 on. Not only I watch every spy plane put up show 0 fking dots (6 pussies) but he was walking everywhere. I asked why he didn't run and the answer was that button didn't work, and he wouldn't play with the other 2 remotes sitting there that did work because they weren't camo color.
Where were you watching a kid play? Random house call because his TV wasnt working? lol
Thu May 29, 2014 1:32 pm
#60688- AlphaI like Pink
Yep. I was working on internet and he kept saying his PS3 didn't work and his mom repeating she'll go buy a new cable later. HDMI port was out on PS3, so I switched it to AV for him, then hooked up headset correctly cause he was using just the Left feed and not the Right lol. I usually watch them play abit and make stupid comments.
Fri May 30, 2014 8:18 am
#60715- hiph0pan0tamusBUNKDRUNK
- Location : In my own little world
Vette wrote:The more E-Sports has to do with COD, the worse the games are gonna get. Professional Gamers are crybaby toxic scum on the community.
are you fuckin kidding me? Pro gamers don't play for stats, they don't play like the new aged gamer. They try and play every cod like cod4 and do their best to strip down the game as much as possible to make it as fair as possible. You've probably said the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.
Fri May 30, 2014 8:20 am
#60716- hiph0pan0tamusBUNKDRUNK
- Location : In my own little world
and this is easily the best cod since cod4.
I really like the interactive maps and I guess you can say interactive guns.
I really like the interactive maps and I guess you can say interactive guns.
Fri May 30, 2014 8:29 am
#60725- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
I have problems seeing anything on Ghosts maps, f**king characters blend in to the background way too easily
on the other hand, after playing MW3 last weekend, I can see why you like this one more (and I agree)
on the other hand, after playing MW3 last weekend, I can see why you like this one more (and I agree)
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