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Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:12 pm
#61626- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
i would also like to add that i cut squats out of my routine completely. i have poor flexibility and it was preventing me from progressing in squats and having good form. the core strength that you get from doing squats, i get from standing military press, and deadlifts.
Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:37 pm
#61628- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
Are you doing any stretching/yoga, it helps with stuff like that
Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:44 pm
#61630- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
Chisa wrote:Are you gay?
no.
Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:52 pm
#61631- AlphaI like Pink
laughed
I quit trying to add weight on squats long ago. It hurts my knees with anything over 100 lbs. Doing many more walking lunges, standing lunges, bar x25 reps, sissy squats in cage, front squats don't hurt knees near as much as back squats.
No point in being in pain when they hurt well before the hamstrings and glutes do. More butt curls in the place.
I quit trying to add weight on squats long ago. It hurts my knees with anything over 100 lbs. Doing many more walking lunges, standing lunges, bar x25 reps, sissy squats in cage, front squats don't hurt knees near as much as back squats.
No point in being in pain when they hurt well before the hamstrings and glutes do. More butt curls in the place.
Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:22 am
#61632- RickMember
Otis wrote:i would also like to add that i cut squats out of my routine completely. i have poor flexibility and it was preventing me from progressing in squats and having good form. the core strength that you get from doing squats, i get from standing military press, and deadlifts.
Funny you mention this. Just today I was watching people do squats and all but one person was doing them incorrectly. They want to start off with a heavy weight or they do it to impress. They have no understanding of the mechanics of doing a squat and why the muscles need to fire the way they do.
also I am hearing a lot of people from different sites having issues with rear delts. I have been doing a new exercise that is really hitting them hard.
Rear deltoid barbell raise.
Face Pulls
you can do them from the lower position as well just hits differently.
Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:19 am
#61633- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
WaLkAwaY wrote:Otis wrote:i would also like to add that i cut squats out of my routine completely. i have poor flexibility and it was preventing me from progressing in squats and having good form. the core strength that you get from doing squats, i get from standing military press, and deadlifts.
Funny you mention this. Just today I was watching people do squats and all but one person was doing them incorrectly. They want to start off with a heavy weight or they do it to impress. They have no understanding of the mechanics of doing a squat and why the muscles need to fire the way they do.
also I am hearing a lot of people from different sites having issues with rear delts. I have been doing a new exercise that is really hitting them hard.
Rear deltoid barbell raise.
Face Pulls
you can do them from the lower position as well just hits differently.
yes i love facepulls. unfortunately i had to weed out some exercises from my routine, since i work upper body twice a week and if i did all the exercises that i used to for each muscle group, i would be in the gym for 3 hours a day. i will switch back to facepulls eventually, instead of the wide grip high row.
Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:50 pm
#61659- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
$193.00
8 week cycle of epistane/furazan.
combined with my cut diet of 2000 calories a day and eating about 1000 calories below maintenance, i should hopefully drop about 20 pounds of fat in 8 weeks. and the epi/fury will keep me from losing muscle.
Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:59 pm
#61660- AlphaI like Pink
aww fk shit. I thought you were posting a bulk but no water retention cycle.
Want to gain, don't want to bloat, have to overeat to hold any more weight
To hell with this 70% ecto no gain - 20% meso can't hold - 10%belly fat endo morph crap
Want to gain, don't want to bloat, have to overeat to hold any more weight
To hell with this 70% ecto no gain - 20% meso can't hold - 10%belly fat endo morph crap
Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:38 pm
#61662- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
Alpha wrote:aww fk shit. I thought you were posting a bulk but no water retention cycle.
Want to gain, don't want to bloat, have to overeat to hold any more weight
To hell with this 70% ecto no gain - 20% meso can't hold - 10%belly fat endo morph crap
i never use bulking compounds. they are almost always very heavy on the sides. stuff like tren and phera is just too risky. i would be willing to try them if i had a source for some clomid or tamoxifen, but those are prescription only.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:01 am
#61664- RickMember
Otis wrote:Alpha wrote:aww fk shit. I thought you were posting a bulk but no water retention cycle.
Want to gain, don't want to bloat, have to overeat to hold any more weight
To hell with this 70% ecto no gain - 20% meso can't hold - 10%belly fat endo morph crap
i never use bulking compounds. they are almost always very heavy on the sides. stuff like tren and phera is just too risky. i would be willing to try them if i had a source for some clomid or tamoxifen, but those are prescription only.
I know a place that sells a line of pro-hormone's that are safer than the ones just a couple years ago. They are made by the same company just under a different name. You might recognize Val Halla labs and American Cellular which is now MSL. The pro-hormone contains stuff for your liver. You still need to take a PCT. The stuff actually works I know people who have taken it and who are taking it and they put on massive amounts of muscle. You have to work your ass off though. and you have to eat, a lot.
- Spoiler:
The ones I am showing are just a fat burner and the lower end pro-hormone for cutting. Is it dangerous? Maybe a little but so are a lot of things to do with body building, cutting diets, intermittent fasting, 5mg per lb of protein a day... the list is endless. As long as you take in adequate amount of water, get good rest and eat clean the results will be great. You also cannot have any alcohol while on them or take Ibuprofen type drugs. That would be a serious punch in the face for your liver.
Again my opinion, but if you want I can get you the info or the number for the place.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:08 am
#61680- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:18 pm
#61691- chris hansonMember
WaLkAwaY wrote:Otis wrote:Alpha wrote:aww fk shit. I thought you were posting a bulk but no water retention cycle.
Want to gain, don't want to bloat, have to overeat to hold any more weight
To hell with this 70% ecto no gain - 20% meso can't hold - 10%belly fat endo morph crap
i never use bulking compounds. they are almost always very heavy on the sides. stuff like tren and phera is just too risky. i would be willing to try them if i had a source for some clomid or tamoxifen, but those are prescription only.
I know a place that sells a line of pro-hormone's that are safer than the ones just a couple years ago. They are made by the same company just under a different name. You might recognize Val Halla labs and American Cellular which is now MSL. The pro-hormone contains stuff for your liver. You still need to take a PCT. The stuff actually works I know people who have taken it and who are taking it and they put on massive amounts of muscle. You have to work your ass off though. and you have to eat, a lot.
- Spoiler:
The ones I am showing are just a fat burner and the lower end pro-hormone for cutting. Is it dangerous? Maybe a little but so are a lot of things to do with body building, cutting diets, intermittent fasting, 5mg per lb of protein a day... the list is endless. As long as you take in adequate amount of water, get good rest and eat clean the results will be great. You also cannot have any alcohol while on them or take Ibuprofen type drugs. That would be a serious punch in the face for your liver.
Again my opinion, but if you want I can get you the info or the number for the place.
Hey Walk, could I get a link to the pro hormones please? I was actually just looking into ordering some.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:34 pm
#61695- AlphaI like Pink
Who was the skinny college basketball player who quit playing and turned to body builder
Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:00 pm
#61697- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
chris hanson wrote:WaLkAwaY wrote:Otis wrote:Alpha wrote:aww fk shit. I thought you were posting a bulk but no water retention cycle.
Want to gain, don't want to bloat, have to overeat to hold any more weight
To hell with this 70% ecto no gain - 20% meso can't hold - 10%belly fat endo morph crap
i never use bulking compounds. they are almost always very heavy on the sides. stuff like tren and phera is just too risky. i would be willing to try them if i had a source for some clomid or tamoxifen, but those are prescription only.
I know a place that sells a line of pro-hormone's that are safer than the ones just a couple years ago. They are made by the same company just under a different name. You might recognize Val Halla labs and American Cellular which is now MSL. The pro-hormone contains stuff for your liver. You still need to take a PCT. The stuff actually works I know people who have taken it and who are taking it and they put on massive amounts of muscle. You have to work your ass off though. and you have to eat, a lot.
- Spoiler:
The ones I am showing are just a fat burner and the lower end pro-hormone for cutting. Is it dangerous? Maybe a little but so are a lot of things to do with body building, cutting diets, intermittent fasting, 5mg per lb of protein a day... the list is endless. As long as you take in adequate amount of water, get good rest and eat clean the results will be great. You also cannot have any alcohol while on them or take Ibuprofen type drugs. That would be a serious punch in the face for your liver.
Again my opinion, but if you want I can get you the info or the number for the place.
Hey Walk, could I get a link to the pro hormones please? I was actually just looking into ordering some.
slow down there pardner. have you ever used steroids before?
there's a lot of shit that you need to research before you try em. different compounds yield different results and side effects.
this is where i get most of my info from:
http://prohormonedb.com/
http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients.asp?n=2%2C3a-epithio-17a-methyletioallo+cholan-17b-ol+%28Epistane%29&i=196
the first link is the home page for the database and the second link is the list of compounds. clicking on the compound will give you all kinds of info.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:45 pm
#61699- AlphaI like Pink
Is that a pill form legal roid?
It has the same side effects as pinning liquid in your ass.
No libido
Hair loss
Nipple swelling
Joint pain
It has the same side effects as pinning liquid in your ass.
No libido
Hair loss
Nipple swelling
Joint pain
Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:22 pm
#61700- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
Anything that reduces your libido isn't worth shit. Sex > muscles
Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:30 pm
#61701- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
Alpha wrote:Is that a pill form legal roid?
It has the same side effects as pinning liquid in your ass.
No libido
Hair loss
Nipple swelling
Joint pain
pro hormones are by and large legal. there are some that have been banned by the FDA because the FDA is a fascist piece of shit. the banned ones are no longer sold because if you are gonna buy an illegal steroid, might as well go for the injectables.
injectables or "real gear" are much safer than pro hormones. they are not taken orally and thus dont affect the liver like many pro-hormones do. (if the word "methyl" is in the compound, it will slightly damage your liver.) injectables are also more potent and can be run for as long as 6 months when compared to most pro-hormones which are only run for 4-6 weeks.
side effects are very compound dependent. the bulking compounds are more androgenic than more mild compounds which are more anabolic. with androgenic compounds many of them have a mild estrogen conversion rate which can cause gynacomastia (bitch tits), acceleration of hair thinning(it doesnt cause hair loss, it just accelerates it if you have the gene for male pattern baldness).
some compounds will shut down your libido and cause temporary testicular shrinkage, but after your post cycle therapy they will return to normal. this is where a lot of noobs mess up. they just take the shit and dont research and have no idea a PCT is needed. so at the end of their cycle, they just watch their gains dissolve and possibly end up weaker and smaller than before. it could take up to 6 months for their natural test levels to come back up.
for example, the last compound i used was a stack of epistane and halodrol. epistane is methylated so i had to take liver support supplements. i had some intense shoulder pumps and lower back pumps. like really painful. the halodrol gave me night sweats and i slept like shit. i also noticed some loss of libido.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:37 pm
#61702- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
hanson i would recommend starting out with the epistane compound. its the most popular and is very easy on the side effects, if you even have any. it is methylated so you should get a liver support supplement like liver fuel or liver longer or any of the multitude that are available. its a very dry compound so you wont feel bloated or retain water, and it does not convert to estrogen so you dont have to worry about bitch tits.
post cycle therapy should be an aromatase inhibitor like Arimi-T, and a natural testosterone booster like Tribulus or any natural test booster that you can find.
post cycle therapy should be an aromatase inhibitor like Arimi-T, and a natural testosterone booster like Tribulus or any natural test booster that you can find.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:56 pm
#61703- AlphaI like Pink
Tried 1/4 bottle of clen before. I shook all fking day, like I had a coffee IV for weeks. Woke up at night drenched in sweat. Threw rest of bottle away.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:20 pm
#61705- chris hansonMember
Otis wrote:
pro hormones are by and large legal. there are some that have been banned by the FDA because the FDA is a fascist piece of shit. the banned ones are no longer sold because if you are gonna buy an illegal steroid, might as well go for the injectables.
injectables or "real gear" are much safer than pro hormones. they are not taken orally and thus dont affect the liver like many pro-hormones do. (if the word "methyl" is in the compound, it will slightly damage your liver.) injectables are also more potent and can be run for as long as 6 months when compared to most pro-hormones which are only run for 4-6 weeks.
side effects are very compound dependent. the bulking compounds are more androgenic than more mild compounds which are more anabolic. with androgenic compounds many of them have a mild estrogen conversion rate which can cause gynacomastia (bitch tits), acceleration of hair thinning(it doesnt cause hair loss, it just accelerates it if you have the gene for male pattern baldness).
some compounds will shut down your libido and cause temporary testicular shrinkage, but after your post cycle therapy they will return to normal. this is where a lot of noobs mess up. they just take the shit and dont research and have no idea a PCT is needed. so at the end of their cycle, they just watch their gains dissolve and possibly end up weaker and smaller than before. it could take up to 6 months for their natural test levels to come back up.
for example, the last compound i used was a stack of epistane and halodrol. epistane is methylated so i had to take liver support supplements. i had some intense shoulder pumps and lower back pumps. like really painful. the halodrol gave me night sweats and i slept like shit. i also noticed some loss of libido.
Otis wrote:hanson i would recommend starting out with the epistane compound. its the most popular and is very easy on the side effects, if you even have any. it is methylated so you should get a liver support supplement like liver fuel or liver longer or any of the multitude that are available. its a very dry compound so you wont feel bloated or retain water, and it does not convert to estrogen so you dont have to worry about bitch tits.
post cycle therapy should be an aromatase inhibitor like Arimi-T, and a natural testosterone booster like Tribulus or any natural test booster that you can find.
Wow thanks for all the info, Otis. I'll definitely look into Epistane. At this point in time, I'd rather try something like a pro hormone because I don't wanna shoot needles in my ass, and they're not illegal. I'll risk some liver damage as I'm young.
I definitely don't wanna risk any side effects, like the gynomastia. I'd much rather have something that's not as dramatic as long as I can retain (most of) my gains after I stop using it.
So we'd be looking at 4 products here? Epistane, liver support, PCT and test booster?
I'll definitely look into the Epistane.
Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:49 pm
#61707- RickMember
Otis wrote:hanson i would recommend starting out with the epistane compound. its the most popular and is very easy on the side effects, if you even have any. it is methylated so you should get a liver support supplement like liver fuel or liver longer or any of the multitude that are available. its a very dry compound so you wont feel bloated or retain water, and it does not convert to estrogen so you dont have to worry about bitch tits.
post cycle therapy should be an aromatase inhibitor like Arimi-T, and a natural testosterone booster like Tribulus or any natural test booster that you can find.
Problem is that with the one I listed at least, it is more of a cutting or getting shredded pro-hormone. Which means cutting diet and cardio as well as a super serious super set routine with possibly a split of heavy days and volume days. For bulking I think a harder PH is needed.
EDIT: Most PH now have liver support and are easier on the liver. Still need a PCT (even though they are easier this way as well) and if you feel the need something like milk thistle for additional liver support or the compounds Batman listed.
Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:04 am
#61708- OtisSupreme Overlord
- Location : Texas
chris hanson wrote:Otis wrote:
pro hormones are by and large legal. there are some that have been banned by the FDA because the FDA is a fascist piece of shit. the banned ones are no longer sold because if you are gonna buy an illegal steroid, might as well go for the injectables.
injectables or "real gear" are much safer than pro hormones. they are not taken orally and thus dont affect the liver like many pro-hormones do. (if the word "methyl" is in the compound, it will slightly damage your liver.) injectables are also more potent and can be run for as long as 6 months when compared to most pro-hormones which are only run for 4-6 weeks.
side effects are very compound dependent. the bulking compounds are more androgenic than more mild compounds which are more anabolic. with androgenic compounds many of them have a mild estrogen conversion rate which can cause gynacomastia (bitch tits), acceleration of hair thinning(it doesnt cause hair loss, it just accelerates it if you have the gene for male pattern baldness).
some compounds will shut down your libido and cause temporary testicular shrinkage, but after your post cycle therapy they will return to normal. this is where a lot of noobs mess up. they just take the shit and dont research and have no idea a PCT is needed. so at the end of their cycle, they just watch their gains dissolve and possibly end up weaker and smaller than before. it could take up to 6 months for their natural test levels to come back up.
for example, the last compound i used was a stack of epistane and halodrol. epistane is methylated so i had to take liver support supplements. i had some intense shoulder pumps and lower back pumps. like really painful. the halodrol gave me night sweats and i slept like shit. i also noticed some loss of libido.Otis wrote:hanson i would recommend starting out with the epistane compound. its the most popular and is very easy on the side effects, if you even have any. it is methylated so you should get a liver support supplement like liver fuel or liver longer or any of the multitude that are available. its a very dry compound so you wont feel bloated or retain water, and it does not convert to estrogen so you dont have to worry about bitch tits.
post cycle therapy should be an aromatase inhibitor like Arimi-T, and a natural testosterone booster like Tribulus or any natural test booster that you can find.
Wow thanks for all the info, Otis. I'll definitely look into Epistane. At this point in time, I'd rather try something like a pro hormone because I don't wanna shoot needles in my ass, and they're not illegal. I'll risk some liver damage as I'm young.
I definitely don't wanna risk any side effects, like the gynomastia. I'd much rather have something that's not as dramatic as long as I can retain (most of) my gains after I stop using it.
So we'd be looking at 4 products here? Epistane, liver support, PCT and test booster?
I'll definitely look into the Epistane.
yeah i avoid all the bulking compounds and if i see a compound has a risk of gyno, i look for a different compound. you take big risks for big gains, and if you can get your hands on the necessary items to protect against gyno, you're all clear to take the androgenic ones. gyno is the side effect that most people worry about because it is not temporary. it only goes away with surgery or lots and lots of hormone therapy.
there was a compound that i took probably 5 years ago that was amazing. 3-AD (2-androstenol acetate) but it's banned now. it was a bulking compound, non methylated, non androgenic, and i had zero sides. i put on 10 pounds of muscle in 4 weeks.
i wish i could get my hands on a SERM (selective estrogen receptor modulator). that's what all the gear users take to prevent gyno. the most common ones are clomid and nolvadex/tamoxifen (not to be confused with the natural test booster novedex). the SERM prevents estrogen from binding to the receptors in your breast tissue. they are actually used to treat breast cancer also. but you need a prescription or if you can find an online pharmacy that sells research drugs, they will sell SERMS over the counter.
i should also add that even if you use a cutting compound, you will still make strength and mass gains. they just wont be as much as bulking compounds. a 4 week cycle of epistane should net you about 4-5 pounds of muscle if you are eating correctly. one of the benefits of steroids is they increase your protein synthesis. so when you're on cycle you should be eating 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. im 200 pounds so im currently taking in between 200 and 225 grams of protein daily. what sucks about 4 week cycles is you really only have the last 1 or 2 weeks to enjoy the strength gains. remember to ramp up your workouts while on cycle. doing 4 or 5 exercises for chest twice a week would normally overtrain you, but while on cycle, your increased test lets you workout longer and harder without overtraining.
most people dont understand that part about steroid use. they just say "oh he took the easy route, he just did steroids." nothing could be further from the truth. all you are doing is taking 6 months of working out and cramming it into 4 weeks. much like people taking a 3 month college course where you go 3 hours a week, and cramming it into 4 weeks when you go to class 8 hours a day. yeah its faster but you are working much harder.
Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:29 am
#61709- chris hansonMember
Otis wrote:chris hanson wrote:Otis wrote:
pro hormones are by and large legal. there are some that have been banned by the FDA because the FDA is a fascist piece of shit. the banned ones are no longer sold because if you are gonna buy an illegal steroid, might as well go for the injectables.
injectables or "real gear" are much safer than pro hormones. they are not taken orally and thus dont affect the liver like many pro-hormones do. (if the word "methyl" is in the compound, it will slightly damage your liver.) injectables are also more potent and can be run for as long as 6 months when compared to most pro-hormones which are only run for 4-6 weeks.
side effects are very compound dependent. the bulking compounds are more androgenic than more mild compounds which are more anabolic. with androgenic compounds many of them have a mild estrogen conversion rate which can cause gynacomastia (bitch tits), acceleration of hair thinning(it doesnt cause hair loss, it just accelerates it if you have the gene for male pattern baldness).
some compounds will shut down your libido and cause temporary testicular shrinkage, but after your post cycle therapy they will return to normal. this is where a lot of noobs mess up. they just take the shit and dont research and have no idea a PCT is needed. so at the end of their cycle, they just watch their gains dissolve and possibly end up weaker and smaller than before. it could take up to 6 months for their natural test levels to come back up.
for example, the last compound i used was a stack of epistane and halodrol. epistane is methylated so i had to take liver support supplements. i had some intense shoulder pumps and lower back pumps. like really painful. the halodrol gave me night sweats and i slept like shit. i also noticed some loss of libido.Otis wrote:hanson i would recommend starting out with the epistane compound. its the most popular and is very easy on the side effects, if you even have any. it is methylated so you should get a liver support supplement like liver fuel or liver longer or any of the multitude that are available. its a very dry compound so you wont feel bloated or retain water, and it does not convert to estrogen so you dont have to worry about bitch tits.
post cycle therapy should be an aromatase inhibitor like Arimi-T, and a natural testosterone booster like Tribulus or any natural test booster that you can find.
Wow thanks for all the info, Otis. I'll definitely look into Epistane. At this point in time, I'd rather try something like a pro hormone because I don't wanna shoot needles in my ass, and they're not illegal. I'll risk some liver damage as I'm young.
I definitely don't wanna risk any side effects, like the gynomastia. I'd much rather have something that's not as dramatic as long as I can retain (most of) my gains after I stop using it.
So we'd be looking at 4 products here? Epistane, liver support, PCT and test booster?
I'll definitely look into the Epistane.
yeah i avoid all the bulking compounds and if i see a compound has a risk of gyno, i look for a different compound. you take big risks for big gains, and if you can get your hands on the necessary items to protect against gyno, you're all clear to take the androgenic ones. gyno is the side effect that most people worry about because it is not temporary. it only goes away with surgery or lots and lots of hormone therapy.
there was a compound that i took probably 5 years ago that was amazing. 3-AD (2-androstenol acetate) but it's banned now. it was a bulking compound, non methylated, non androgenic, and i had zero sides. i put on 10 pounds of muscle in 4 weeks.
i wish i could get my hands on a SERM (selective estrogen receptor modulator). that's what all the gear users take to prevent gyno. the most common ones are clomid and nolvadex/tamoxifen (not to be confused with the natural test booster novedex). the SERM prevents estrogen from binding to the receptors in your breast tissue. they are actually used to treat breast cancer also. but you need a prescription or if you can find an online pharmacy that sells research drugs, they will sell SERMS over the counter.
i should also add that even if you use a cutting compound, you will still make strength and mass gains. they just wont be as much as bulking compounds. a 4 week cycle of epistane should net you about 4-5 pounds of muscle if you are eating correctly. one of the benefits of steroids is they increase your protein synthesis. so when you're on cycle you should be eating 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. im 200 pounds so im currently taking in between 200 and 225 grams of protein daily. what sucks about 4 week cycles is you really only have the last 1 or 2 weeks to enjoy the strength gains. remember to ramp up your workouts while on cycle. doing 4 or 5 exercises for chest twice a week would normally overtrain you, but while on cycle, your increased test lets you workout longer and harder without overtraining.
most people dont understand that part about steroid use. they just say "oh he took the easy route, he just did steroids." nothing could be further from the truth. all you are doing is taking 6 months of working out and cramming it into 4 weeks. much like people taking a 3 month college course where you go 3 hours a week, and cramming it into 4 weeks when you go to class 8 hours a day. yeah its faster but you are working much harder.
Yeah, I'm totally on board with the gyno thing. You can look great but if you have puffy nipples/bitch tits it's just not right.
That compound seems awesome. Completely unrelated, but I wish I could find the old jack3d preworkout with DMAA in it. I hear it was awesome.
I keep seeing the SERMs come up in forum posts. That's something I won't even worry about until after a first cycle of something relatively mild.
And yeah, I'd be sure to make the most out of it and figure out my exact macronutrients and calorie requirements and stick to them.
I'd be sure to go hard in the gym. Quick recovery is awesome.
And yeah. The way I see it is, I'm in love with lifting. Why not speed up my progress if I'd get there eventually anyways?
Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:39 am
#61712- AlphaI like Pink
How old are you Hanson?
Don't touch anything until after 21, possibly 24. You still have high natural test levels and your body is still maturing in density.
And make sure you're drinking gallons of water, plus something to help your filtration. I know a few guys who looked good for 10 yrs then in 40s liver was shot and they even had to watch protein intake.
Gyno surgery will run you over $5,500 and 6 weeks full recovery plus scars depending on severity, plus loss of 6 months gains on down time.
Don't touch anything until after 21, possibly 24. You still have high natural test levels and your body is still maturing in density.
And make sure you're drinking gallons of water, plus something to help your filtration. I know a few guys who looked good for 10 yrs then in 40s liver was shot and they even had to watch protein intake.
Gyno surgery will run you over $5,500 and 6 weeks full recovery plus scars depending on severity, plus loss of 6 months gains on down time.
Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:00 am
#61828- AlphaI like Pink
2 random rambles
~ Going to beach in 2 weeks. 2 months ago I started eating cleaner and supposed to start doing cardio for cuts. Was 170-175ish then. Started eating cleaner and lifting harder which in turn made me start eating alot more. 180 on scale last night lol.
~Sat down with notepad and researched routines. Time to change it up and didn't want to stick with any comforts. Picked 4 new workouts never done before and put on each lift day. Started Saturday, chest and middle back is virgin sore again.
~ Going to beach in 2 weeks. 2 months ago I started eating cleaner and supposed to start doing cardio for cuts. Was 170-175ish then. Started eating cleaner and lifting harder which in turn made me start eating alot more. 180 on scale last night lol.
~Sat down with notepad and researched routines. Time to change it up and didn't want to stick with any comforts. Picked 4 new workouts never done before and put on each lift day. Started Saturday, chest and middle back is virgin sore again.
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