Blame youtube, or us?
Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:01 pm
#3771- Kaz--MoneyMember
- Location : Calgary, AB, Canada
I'm quick to blame youtube for making people camping little poosies, but, I often wonder how much a part of it we own.
If you're ever on the wrong end of this squad, it's a hard fight. 6 v 6 feels like 6 v 8, and all of a sudden what you once knew no longer holds.
Routes close, sightlines and chokepoints are death traps, air support rains down, and it starts to feel like a 6 v 12. Your sharply honed skills lose their edge and rust forms upon them in only a few minutes.
At the top of your game, facing this bunch, you fight to go positive.
Imagine being on the losing end of this game after game.
imagine being an "adequate" rusher, or even a good rusher.
Imagine facing a 6 man wrecking crew with the intention of rushing, and then being popped back into reality, with no viable means to make that strategy yield any degree of success.
You move, you die.
Natural instincts kick in and you go into self preservation and become more cautious, at which point Alpha lobbed a stun your way, homescrub simultaneously blasts you from the side with 3 spas shots while shadow is spraying you face with an MP5, and kaz just dropped a cooked grenade at your feet.
You can't survive. Movement results in death. More caution ensues.
More destruction results.
Final option, become a security camera and try to mitigate the damage because this 6 v 6 feels like a 12 gallon enema with a firehose.
I'm not justifying the resulting playstyle, but I hazard a guess that some fairly competent players resort to laying up in a corner just trying to survive after the other strategy(ies) have proven MAJOR failures.
Game ends.
Leave lobby or begin game in safe mode.
Camping is now the viable survival strategy.
If you're ever on the wrong end of this squad, it's a hard fight. 6 v 6 feels like 6 v 8, and all of a sudden what you once knew no longer holds.
Routes close, sightlines and chokepoints are death traps, air support rains down, and it starts to feel like a 6 v 12. Your sharply honed skills lose their edge and rust forms upon them in only a few minutes.
At the top of your game, facing this bunch, you fight to go positive.
Imagine being on the losing end of this game after game.
imagine being an "adequate" rusher, or even a good rusher.
Imagine facing a 6 man wrecking crew with the intention of rushing, and then being popped back into reality, with no viable means to make that strategy yield any degree of success.
You move, you die.
Natural instincts kick in and you go into self preservation and become more cautious, at which point Alpha lobbed a stun your way, homescrub simultaneously blasts you from the side with 3 spas shots while shadow is spraying you face with an MP5, and kaz just dropped a cooked grenade at your feet.
You can't survive. Movement results in death. More caution ensues.
More destruction results.
Final option, become a security camera and try to mitigate the damage because this 6 v 6 feels like a 12 gallon enema with a firehose.
I'm not justifying the resulting playstyle, but I hazard a guess that some fairly competent players resort to laying up in a corner just trying to survive after the other strategy(ies) have proven MAJOR failures.
Game ends.
Leave lobby or begin game in safe mode.
Camping is now the viable survival strategy.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:18 pm
#3774- SkepyMember
- Location : Winsford
i would be fine if that was the way but most of the time they purposely set up a class to run ghost and then sit in a building or corner from the off.
its very rare we will beast a match and someone changes style
its very rare we will beast a match and someone changes style
Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:19 pm
#3775They shouldn't be camping if they know they are a "OK" rusher. You won't learn from your mistakes from camping.
Alpha, Syn, CD and I have been playing together for 3 years now, The rest of you are either early MW2 or late MW2. You watched the power killers top lobbies doing only 1 thing, rush.
You learned that when you were "camping" before you met us, that is was awesome and nice way for kills, but when you have the suicidal rush squad taking your kills, what then? gotta move.
Now, look at us, we don't have to say much to win a game, we constantly argue about lag and how our day was.
But when a lesson is needed, (I'll use kaz as example), He usually does TONS of shit wrong, but you never see him hide, he goes and watches us, (theater mode or as a spectator). Most of us give in-game tips to help. Hell, I'm still learning. But what we learn, we pass on to the others. Helps the team become more sexy. lol
But at the end, We made the "campers" you were back then, to "rushers" who eat them.
Also, We may come across a good team, talk smack back and forth, but guess what? The superior team wins. And they resort to one thing. But we all love to call out the "pussies" and "scared" players, well I do anyway, and tell them to man up.
Good opponents are hard to come by. We never had 1 clan stay for a hard ass beating.
Now, I would say it was youtube who made everyone in the COD community scared little girls.
You have WoR thinking if you have a "high" kd you are the best, and a "low" kd can't touch you.
I BEG TO DIFFER!
We all know there are limited few youtube people who rush. (Sandy Ravage).
Either way, I think I went OT. lol
Alpha, Syn, CD and I have been playing together for 3 years now, The rest of you are either early MW2 or late MW2. You watched the power killers top lobbies doing only 1 thing, rush.
You learned that when you were "camping" before you met us, that is was awesome and nice way for kills, but when you have the suicidal rush squad taking your kills, what then? gotta move.
Now, look at us, we don't have to say much to win a game, we constantly argue about lag and how our day was.
But when a lesson is needed, (I'll use kaz as example), He usually does TONS of shit wrong, but you never see him hide, he goes and watches us, (theater mode or as a spectator). Most of us give in-game tips to help. Hell, I'm still learning. But what we learn, we pass on to the others. Helps the team become more sexy. lol
But at the end, We made the "campers" you were back then, to "rushers" who eat them.
Also, We may come across a good team, talk smack back and forth, but guess what? The superior team wins. And they resort to one thing. But we all love to call out the "pussies" and "scared" players, well I do anyway, and tell them to man up.
Good opponents are hard to come by. We never had 1 clan stay for a hard ass beating.
Now, I would say it was youtube who made everyone in the COD community scared little girls.
You have WoR thinking if you have a "high" kd you are the best, and a "low" kd can't touch you.
I BEG TO DIFFER!
We all know there are limited few youtube people who rush. (Sandy Ravage).
Either way, I think I went OT. lol
Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:41 pm
#3782- Kaz--MoneyMember
- Location : Calgary, AB, Canada
Well, in fairness to me, I was always a rusher. I never sat in a corner. Ever. Even in COD 4, when I picked it up 2 years after release.
It's in my coding....way too ADD to stay in one place, and waaaay too much pride to do it, even if "necessity" calls upon it to be done. Rather die rushing than kill camping.
....and I hope I don't do TONS of things wrong.
If I am, we need to get into a theater to bring that down to a few pounds of wrong instead of TONS.
I can watch your games, and watch mine, but getting advice on MY own game play will make this whoel theater thing even more valuable.
It's in my coding....way too ADD to stay in one place, and waaaay too much pride to do it, even if "necessity" calls upon it to be done. Rather die rushing than kill camping.
....and I hope I don't do TONS of things wrong.
If I am, we need to get into a theater to bring that down to a few pounds of wrong instead of TONS.
I can watch your games, and watch mine, but getting advice on MY own game play will make this whoel theater thing even more valuable.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:49 pm
#3783Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:57 pm
#3785- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
I will always blame MW2 mostly, because it was the first game to specifically reward campers both with it's ridiculously low time to kill, and the stacking over powered killstreaks
no campers in COD4 because there was no reason to camp
MW2 ruined the community, mostly by itself, but youtube did have a significant part. Chicken v. Egg here.
no campers in COD4 because there was no reason to camp
MW2 ruined the community, mostly by itself, but youtube did have a significant part. Chicken v. Egg here.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:08 pm
#3786Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:09 pm
#3787- SyndromeAdmin
- Location : Ohio, USA
Kaz--Money wrote:
....and I hope I don't do TONS of things wrong.
If I am, we need to get into a theater to bring that down to a few pounds of wrong instead of TONS.
I can watch your games, and watch mine, but getting advice on MY own game play will make this whoel theater thing even more valuable.
Ive only noticed a few things whilst watching your gameplay during particular matches, that I would of done different.
Im up for watching some of your games anytime you want too. I dont like to critique peoples gameplay (because we all only play to have fun), but if thats what you want.
And I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. You are spot on Kaz. I have played against a full crew of 6 of you. Its a bitch spawning, and trying to move. Ya'll are around every corner and up in every spawn in less than 10 seconds.
A GOOD Cod player would adapt and sit back. Trust me when I say this.
When we are facing a competent rushing team (with Lag on their sides), and the score is 7300-7400 what do you do? You sit back and ease off the pedal, am I right? YOU dont want to be the last kill. Well, most peoplle who know how to play the game, have that logic from the get go. As soon as we start slaughtering them... they decide, "I dont want to be the reason we lose. Im going to sit back some".
Its actually instinct.
Even when we are playing and dominating, and you arent having a particularly good match (goes for all of us except Alpha).... what do you do?
Well I know I stop moving as much, because it results in me dieing too much. Most of the time Lag is killing me, but still. I dont come to a complete stand still... but I may mount up for longer periods of time between moving from cover to cover. Shadow... I know he just sits in a corner of the map and lets the team finish getting all the kills and does nothing. Or he will complain about the lag while he sits in the corner and does nothing.
Im not defending camping neither. So dont take this post wrong. Its explaining why people camp in the first place.
You can say blame it on youtube. But how did WOR figure out not to move in a game? Was he getting his ass kicked, and stopped moving and then started doing better? lol. Maybe. Or Maybe he was playing against a bunch of scrubs who continuously ran into his claymores over and over and he figured why leave?
Ill blame it 70% on rushers and 30% on youtube.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:09 pm
#3788- GuestGuest
I don't know what happened, nor do I care anymore. I want to win, and I want to destroy (hoping the connection is good).
Aggressive play-styles win games. Camping, and waiting in areas is a losers game, which is something most of these pathetic players do. Then bitch and complain about why we're too good.
If there is ONE clan I want to go up against, its [2PRO]. They too are aggressive, but one thing sets them apart from us. Possible Lag Switchers.
Aggressive play-styles win games. Camping, and waiting in areas is a losers game, which is something most of these pathetic players do. Then bitch and complain about why we're too good.
If there is ONE clan I want to go up against, its [2PRO]. They too are aggressive, but one thing sets them apart from us. Possible Lag Switchers.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:27 pm
#3798- Kaz--MoneyMember
- Location : Calgary, AB, Canada
Shadow, Syn's comment it wasn't a criticism of you game play, it was evidence of how a rusher changes their style when things start to go sideways.
If all you do is die in TDM (which is what happens to us all when lag puts us days behind the opponent), then you're not helping the team. Sitting back is not helping either team....and it's more important sometimes to mitigate *LA deaths by not helping the other team get easy kills on you.
That's my logic. Stay out of the way and let you guys pick up my slack, rather than contribute to an enemy heli.
Perfectly good and completely effective rushers will post up if their strategy isn't successful. Like Syn said, it's instinct. We don't camp it up, we just slow things down a bit to equalize 1 on 1 encounters.
I'd be down to have a critique of a bad game--a bad game being one where lag was less of an issue, but I was still getting owned.
I am doing much better as of late, connections aside. My weekly kdr for a while there was in the low 3's, then into the high 2's. I play much more relaxed with you all. Knowing the team so well gets me focused less on worring about the random douches who are going get me killed and more about me doing what I need to do.
But definately, if you're willing to go through a few games with me, I'm ready to take the news.
If all you do is die in TDM (which is what happens to us all when lag puts us days behind the opponent), then you're not helping the team. Sitting back is not helping either team....and it's more important sometimes to mitigate *LA deaths by not helping the other team get easy kills on you.
That's my logic. Stay out of the way and let you guys pick up my slack, rather than contribute to an enemy heli.
Perfectly good and completely effective rushers will post up if their strategy isn't successful. Like Syn said, it's instinct. We don't camp it up, we just slow things down a bit to equalize 1 on 1 encounters.
I'd be down to have a critique of a bad game--a bad game being one where lag was less of an issue, but I was still getting owned.
I am doing much better as of late, connections aside. My weekly kdr for a while there was in the low 3's, then into the high 2's. I play much more relaxed with you all. Knowing the team so well gets me focused less on worring about the random douches who are going get me killed and more about me doing what I need to do.
But definately, if you're willing to go through a few games with me, I'm ready to take the news.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:36 pm
#3800- AlphaI like Pink
its about 50/50
We bring out the worse in people from the tubing in MW2 to the ghosting creepers now. Its usually apparent early on how far advanced we are over the average lobbies. Now the rushing you knew against 0.60-1.5 players is getting your ass whipped because we think and react twice as fast.
We bring out the worse in people from the tubing in MW2 to the ghosting creepers now. Its usually apparent early on how far advanced we are over the average lobbies. Now the rushing you knew against 0.60-1.5 players is getting your ass whipped because we think and react twice as fast.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:18 pm
#3821- OrrophinMember
- Location : UK
I can see where people's arguments are coming from, but in all honesty whenever I've had it handed to me, I rush harder. In my mind, the less time I'm stationary the more time it takes you to aim at me and by then I should have 2 shells in yo face.
The reason I rush is because I respect you guys as competent rushers. You put up big scores without having to resort to tactics that are detrimental to others. When I play against you I want you to respect me for putting up a good fight, so I rush too. Id rather go 20-20 than 10-5. Sure, I didn't help my team win, but I didn't make them lose either.
In my opinion, your playstyle develops out of respect or awe at someone you've played with/against. In my 1st days of CoD4 I was a campy sniper, because I thought that was what a sniper was meant to do. Then I became more proficient with the AR's and had better map knowledge so I ran around. Then I became confident in my own ability to make the right choices and win most 1v1s so I rushed with SMGs.
Then came MW2 and I stepped up my rushing game due to Syn's vids on MLC. Sure it was OP but at the time running full pelt appealed to me. Then I learned about what was considered 'fair' and 'n00b' and that you shouldn't rely on one style or setup as a crutch. After watching C4B videos and playing with/against you guys I learned how to become a more effective rusher, even though I could top scoreboards beforehand.
Other people don't have the same drive I did of wanting to be like you, or their inspiration for getting better was seeing WoR camp and get top scores. Given the choice, I'd like to think most people would choose to be Alpha over WoR, but they don't because anyone can be WoR without any effort. It's the drive of wanting to be better and putting the effort in, unfortunately most of the community aren't like that.
The reason I rush is because I respect you guys as competent rushers. You put up big scores without having to resort to tactics that are detrimental to others. When I play against you I want you to respect me for putting up a good fight, so I rush too. Id rather go 20-20 than 10-5. Sure, I didn't help my team win, but I didn't make them lose either.
In my opinion, your playstyle develops out of respect or awe at someone you've played with/against. In my 1st days of CoD4 I was a campy sniper, because I thought that was what a sniper was meant to do. Then I became more proficient with the AR's and had better map knowledge so I ran around. Then I became confident in my own ability to make the right choices and win most 1v1s so I rushed with SMGs.
Then came MW2 and I stepped up my rushing game due to Syn's vids on MLC. Sure it was OP but at the time running full pelt appealed to me. Then I learned about what was considered 'fair' and 'n00b' and that you shouldn't rely on one style or setup as a crutch. After watching C4B videos and playing with/against you guys I learned how to become a more effective rusher, even though I could top scoreboards beforehand.
Other people don't have the same drive I did of wanting to be like you, or their inspiration for getting better was seeing WoR camp and get top scores. Given the choice, I'd like to think most people would choose to be Alpha over WoR, but they don't because anyone can be WoR without any effort. It's the drive of wanting to be better and putting the effort in, unfortunately most of the community aren't like that.
Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:27 pm
#3834- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
Oh goodness, do y'all watch my gameplay?
Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:36 pm
#3836- SyndromeAdmin
- Location : Ohio, USA
Xx_VetteDude_xX wrote:Oh goodness, do y'all watch my gameplay?
i really dont watch anyones.
Only time im watching ya'll play is when im dead in HQ lol.
But im not opposed to watching your gameplay to give a few helpful tips.
Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:01 pm
#4591- FattyPussMember
Even when we are playing and dominating, and you arent having a particularly good match (goes for all of us except Alpha).... what do you do?
keep rushing, lol, im the type of person to just die over and over again, until i get it right.
keep rushing, lol, im the type of person to just die over and over again, until i get it right.
Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:20 am
#4642- KerzoR9
- Location : Scotland
I place the majority of it on youtube and mw2. Most of the kids and noobs latched onto that game when it came out and players like us have suffered ever since. Add to that the videos you have of players camping and going 75-5 on dom with no caps. Videos like these can get up to 150k+ viewers, majority of them are little kids/noobs who want to get the same score so they play the same way.
As for rushers causing more players to camp, maybe but i dont thinkso. If you get demolished over and over change lobbies.
As for rushers causing more players to camp, maybe but i dont thinkso. If you get demolished over and over change lobbies.
Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:51 pm
#4658yes puss, I keep rushing.
i blame youtube, before you never saw gameplays of people camping, but MW2 and BO you see people going on about if you have a "high" KD your pro at the game and anyone below that "high" is crap to you, but somehow the crap player ends up winning and "high" KD player leaves. makes sense.
i blame youtube, before you never saw gameplays of people camping, but MW2 and BO you see people going on about if you have a "high" KD your pro at the game and anyone below that "high" is crap to you, but somehow the crap player ends up winning and "high" KD player leaves. makes sense.
Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:55 pm
#4659- RyanMember
- Location : North west UK
i have been on the recieving end of some pretty hard beat downs but it never slowed me up. i will keep pushing until either the game ends or i manage to break through.
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