27 killed, 18 children, in Newtown shooting
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Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:27 pm
#28099- zcsmanMember
- Location : Massachusetts
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:30 pm
#28100- ChisaGod Of Boobs
- Location : Boston, MA
There's something wrong with us as a psychological culture, this just shouldn't be possible
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:54 pm
#28101- RyanMember
- Location : North west UK
Things just keep getting worse. kinda glad i don't have kids. i'd spend too much time worrying about them.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:20 pm
#28104- Kaz--MoneyMember
- Location : Calgary, AB, Canada
Kids should have had guns.
No, not being callous, just echoing the rationale that we're sure to hear from the Lott-Loving NRA followers.
More guns = more gun related deaths and injuries.
Psychologically, people are fcked, but this really is predominantly American phenomenon.
I'm always saddened to hear of these stories...even more so when the perpetrators take their own lives. Cowards.
These ones are still alive, no?
No, not being callous, just echoing the rationale that we're sure to hear from the Lott-Loving NRA followers.
More guns = more gun related deaths and injuries.
Psychologically, people are fcked, but this really is predominantly American phenomenon.
I'm always saddened to hear of these stories...even more so when the perpetrators take their own lives. Cowards.
These ones are still alive, no?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:30 pm
#28106- AlphaI like Pink
Not much to say. Every bit of anger you want to turn toward the shooter, he avoided by taking the pussy way out.
Have gotten few bits and pieces on it all, not up to date on all details.
Have gotten few bits and pieces on it all, not up to date on all details.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:36 pm
#28107- SyndromeAdmin
- Location : Ohio, USA
Its truely sad.
An elementary school. 18 children. That is disgusting. I dont need to click the link, was watching the news when it broke.
A 24 year old. I AM 24. There is no way in hell I could ever think to do something like this.
F*cked up people.
An elementary school. 18 children. That is disgusting. I dont need to click the link, was watching the news when it broke.
A 24 year old. I AM 24. There is no way in hell I could ever think to do something like this.
F*cked up people.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:43 pm
#28110- AlphaI like Pink
If anyone makes a distasteful joke regarding this, erase it and ban them before its seen.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:59 pm
#28112Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:28 pm
#28113- moosedawg06Member
- Location : Georgia
As Alpha pointed out earlier, the pussy killed himself. That itself pisses me off even more. Coward.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:37 pm
#28115- simmo165Member
- Location : London
I don't think I will ever understand what can drive a person to do this. Truly awful, especially since it involves such young and innocent kids.
It feels like every few months we are talking about another shooting in the US. The batman shootings in August, and now this in the same year. Something has to fundamentally change to set it right
It feels like every few months we are talking about another shooting in the US. The batman shootings in August, and now this in the same year. Something has to fundamentally change to set it right
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:57 pm
#28117- Kaz--MoneyMember
- Location : Calgary, AB, Canada
It's funny....I always head to Chris Rock for a lot of spoken wisdom.
He spoke about Nicole Simpson's affairs etc, and how OJ ended up killing her. He said, "I don't think he shoulda killed her, but I understand..."
And to an extent, this is where I am with these mass murders vs the normal everyday homicides. I rarely agree with the killer, but, sometimes I find that I can understand what brought them there.
One spouse kills the other in a 'crime of passion'. I get it. I can get my head around the irrational and inconsolable rage that the killer might have felt. Or a Dad who goes on the attack and kills someone who harmed his child. My head can go there. I get it.
I can even understand road rage. Nevr one to get out of a vehicle to drop the gloves, but, sometimes we're all a perfect storm a brewing.
Impulse crime is easier to understand than the calculated crimes carried out against innocent and defenseless victims.
This was a carefully planned attack, where the perpetrators had time to think through, "is this a good idea", and, routinely respond, "yes." Days, if not weeks of planning goes into something like this. No passion, or inconsolable rage is the root of it.
That to me is what's so wrong with it. I can't find a place in my brain that says, "I don't agree with it, but I understand..."
He spoke about Nicole Simpson's affairs etc, and how OJ ended up killing her. He said, "I don't think he shoulda killed her, but I understand..."
And to an extent, this is where I am with these mass murders vs the normal everyday homicides. I rarely agree with the killer, but, sometimes I find that I can understand what brought them there.
One spouse kills the other in a 'crime of passion'. I get it. I can get my head around the irrational and inconsolable rage that the killer might have felt. Or a Dad who goes on the attack and kills someone who harmed his child. My head can go there. I get it.
I can even understand road rage. Nevr one to get out of a vehicle to drop the gloves, but, sometimes we're all a perfect storm a brewing.
Impulse crime is easier to understand than the calculated crimes carried out against innocent and defenseless victims.
This was a carefully planned attack, where the perpetrators had time to think through, "is this a good idea", and, routinely respond, "yes." Days, if not weeks of planning goes into something like this. No passion, or inconsolable rage is the root of it.
That to me is what's so wrong with it. I can't find a place in my brain that says, "I don't agree with it, but I understand..."
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:06 pm
#28119- Mick281Member
- Location : TX
Supposedly, the shooters mom was a teacher there and the brother was taken in for questioning. We were discussing this at work and it pissed everyone off that someone could do such a thing.
My prayers go out to all the families involved.
My prayers go out to all the families involved.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:10 pm
#28122- SyndromeAdmin
- Location : Ohio, USA
I know shootings are always a bad thing... but when it involves elementary school kids. That pushes my buttons even more. How could someone even THINK about murdering innocent children. Thats completely screwed.
I'd feel disgust if it were only adults. But Children. Come on.
I'd feel disgust if it were only adults. But Children. Come on.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:32 pm
#28128- lilaclegendMember
- Location : not where i want to be
these days it isn't often that the news actually makes me cry, but this did.
i am not even going to go into the politics of it or make a comment on whether america should change its gun laws. it is a tragedy and so close to christmas.
it makes me choke thinking of the parents who have probably been getting presents for their kids. i can't even contemplate the pain they must be going through and will continue to go through.
whatever was going on it this guys mind, i don't think most normal people will ever be able to comprehend.
i am not even going to go into the politics of it or make a comment on whether america should change its gun laws. it is a tragedy and so close to christmas.
it makes me choke thinking of the parents who have probably been getting presents for their kids. i can't even contemplate the pain they must be going through and will continue to go through.
whatever was going on it this guys mind, i don't think most normal people will ever be able to comprehend.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:34 pm
#28129- zcsmanMember
- Location : Massachusetts
Something has to be done with the Second Amendment..
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:37 pm
#28132- lilaclegendMember
- Location : not where i want to be
zcsman wrote:Something has to be done with the Second Amendment..
i really don't know. i said i wasn't going to get into it. sometimes, i wish i had the right to own a gun, just to feel safer in the house.
i think, if people really want to kill, they will find a way.. be it through guns, knives, bombs or other ways.
i don't think that america seems to have a high rate of homicide is related to the gun laws, but something in american culture.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:01 pm
#28136- RickMember
It is the world. It is getting worse, humanity is crumbling.
Man Slashes 22 Children...
BEIJING -- A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year.
The attack was reminiscent of a spate of knife attacks on schoolchildren that took place across China in 2010. In most cases, the attackers were unemployed middle-aged men, leading to speculation that the assaults stemmed from economic and social discontent.
Friday's attack occurred at about 7:40 a.m. as children were arriving outside the gate of Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. The suspect, Min Yingjun, 36, allegedly slashed an elderly woman as well as the children. Local propaganda officials said later that Min had a psychological illness.
Pictures uploaded to the Internet by bystanders show family members carrying young children with bandages on their heads. The local reports state that four seriously wounded children were transferred to other hospitals for intensive care.
The scene of the attack lies within the limits of Xinyang City, a mountainous and poor municipality 600 miles south of Beijing. The region is renowned for maojian, a bitter and aromatic green tea grown in the mountains. Xinyang is also known as one of the areas hardest hit by the famine that accompanied Communist Party agricultural policies in the 1950s and 1960s. More recent government policy has encouraged the adult population in rural Henan to migrate to cities to look for employment.
In another incident, a 25-year-old man was arrested Thursday night in Beijing after a series of incidents in which young women were slashed on the subway with a box cutter. The New China News Agency said the young man had recently been jilted by a girlfriend and wanted "revenge on society."
In 2010, nearly 20 children were killed and 50 wounded in a string of copycat incidents around central China. China has strict gun control laws, so knives are the weapon of choice in violent crimes.
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Man Slashes 22 Children...
BEIJING -- A man with a knife slashed 22 children and one adult outside an elementary school in Henan province Friday morning, China's worst such incident in more than a year.
The attack was reminiscent of a spate of knife attacks on schoolchildren that took place across China in 2010. In most cases, the attackers were unemployed middle-aged men, leading to speculation that the assaults stemmed from economic and social discontent.
Friday's attack occurred at about 7:40 a.m. as children were arriving outside the gate of Chenpeng Village’s Wanquan Elementary School. The suspect, Min Yingjun, 36, allegedly slashed an elderly woman as well as the children. Local propaganda officials said later that Min had a psychological illness.
Pictures uploaded to the Internet by bystanders show family members carrying young children with bandages on their heads. The local reports state that four seriously wounded children were transferred to other hospitals for intensive care.
The scene of the attack lies within the limits of Xinyang City, a mountainous and poor municipality 600 miles south of Beijing. The region is renowned for maojian, a bitter and aromatic green tea grown in the mountains. Xinyang is also known as one of the areas hardest hit by the famine that accompanied Communist Party agricultural policies in the 1950s and 1960s. More recent government policy has encouraged the adult population in rural Henan to migrate to cities to look for employment.
In another incident, a 25-year-old man was arrested Thursday night in Beijing after a series of incidents in which young women were slashed on the subway with a box cutter. The New China News Agency said the young man had recently been jilted by a girlfriend and wanted "revenge on society."
In 2010, nearly 20 children were killed and 50 wounded in a string of copycat incidents around central China. China has strict gun control laws, so knives are the weapon of choice in violent crimes.
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Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:07 pm
#28137- Kaz--MoneyMember
- Location : Calgary, AB, Canada
Well, connect a completely fcked up health care system (inaccessible to many of the mentally ill), the 2nd amendment and other gun bearing "rights" and entitlements which are entrenched in the constitution, a cultural fascination and appreciation for firearms, and a omnipresent fear of the government / people with brown skin / bad guys / etc, a lobby group that insists that the objects of thier affection are not in any way bad for society (in fact, believe quite the opposite), and an entertainment industry that continually promotes violence and guns....
Whatcha got?
Whatcha got?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:07 pm
#28138It's despicable that someone would do this and I also heard that this coward killed his roomate and his father before driving to Conn. to do this? Absolute coward.
Guns are not the problem here though. The problem is what messed someone up psychologically so bad as to where he would snap like this? Get to the root of the problem here, not just blame it on guns... and I'm sure video games are next up to be blamed for this.. maybe even Marilyn Manson.
Guns are not the problem here though. The problem is what messed someone up psychologically so bad as to where he would snap like this? Get to the root of the problem here, not just blame it on guns... and I'm sure video games are next up to be blamed for this.. maybe even Marilyn Manson.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:12 pm
#28140- RickMember
Kaz--Money wrote:Whatcha got?
The World.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:18 pm
#28142What a lot of the people that do this are seeking is attention and they want their names to be remembered, which is what will happen sadly. Nobody will remember the names of the victims in this horrible tragedy.. just the coward that pulled a trigger.
Watch this from 1:22 and on. He has a very interesting perspective.
Watch this from 1:22 and on. He has a very interesting perspective.
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:22 pm
#28143- Kaz--MoneyMember
- Location : Calgary, AB, Canada
There is a difference in many orders of magnitude between a knife rampage and a killing spree....
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:40 pm
#28148- lilaclegendMember
- Location : not where i want to be
i understand why this is going to bring up lots of questions in regards to america and its gun laws. and also highlight problems in american culture and why this happens.
but as walk has shown.. it isn't just happening in america.. things happen like this all over the world. but it seems to attract more media attention when it happens in america.
i had never heard of those things which happened in china, and they are equally as terrible and devastating.
maybe it is because of the lack of society. while it happens occassionally in europe and places such as canada, australia and new zealand. it doesn't happen as often. kaz mentioned the lack of mental health care. that could be something which is key to all of this. china doesn't really care about its people unless they have something to offer.
but whatever the reasons, it is still really saddening.. and i think that's what is most important right now. thinking of the people affected and the grief they must be experiencing.
but as walk has shown.. it isn't just happening in america.. things happen like this all over the world. but it seems to attract more media attention when it happens in america.
i had never heard of those things which happened in china, and they are equally as terrible and devastating.
maybe it is because of the lack of society. while it happens occassionally in europe and places such as canada, australia and new zealand. it doesn't happen as often. kaz mentioned the lack of mental health care. that could be something which is key to all of this. china doesn't really care about its people unless they have something to offer.
but whatever the reasons, it is still really saddening.. and i think that's what is most important right now. thinking of the people affected and the grief they must be experiencing.
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:36 am
#28152- RickMember
Kaz--Money wrote:There is a difference in many orders of magnitude between a knife rampage and a killing spree....
I guess we just see things differently. I never said you were wrong I just stated my opinion.
Let's say that this is the 25th time this happened in an elementary school classroom. Each time 20 children died.
Now imagine that whole 25 and 20 scenario being played out with the following:
25/20: A teacher poisons his class using DMSO and concentrated nicotine on the underside of the desks or uses Tetrodotoxin or creates a CIA shellfish toxin ala 1960's.
Would people be screaming about the sale of DMSO a readily available ingredient. How about banning nicotine. There is already a law against owning a Reticulated Puffer fish or Blue Ring in some states but I can go into the woods and find any number of California Newts. (California being one such state to have strict laws on owning the former)
25/20: A man drives his car through a school yard or into the classroom.
No more driving? Or are we to make every school area a Korean road drop barricade.
25/20: A man locks the classroom doors and breaks all of their necks by hand.
No teacher with a certain body strength...
25/20: A man enters a school yard and using a machete kills. Or uses a steak knife.
25/20: A man hands out candy tainted with his blood and he has hepatitis C.
25/20: A man using a bag of frozen carrots kills all the kids by choking them or stabbing them through the eye.
It is not the guns. It is society. Guns are simple, easy to get and readily available to anyone who has the money or the connections regardless of if they were illegal or not. It is not just the US it is everywhere. I have never heard of something like this happening in the US have you?
People blame the US for a lot and sure some of it is justified (maybe) but they sure love our soldiers when we are protecting them and doing something while other nations sit and watch. They sure want our military tech when the guy next door starts to get brazen. And they sure as hell want our weapons and the technology behind them when they feel someone else could have the upper hand.
Slippery slope, where does one draw the line.
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:18 am
#28155- CorvadeMember
this kind sht is disgusting. and whats worse is that the socially awkward kids post on facebook on how every one only pretends to care about the victims, and how they dont give a ****. srsly, **** those guys too. definitely getting a handgun when i'm older.
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