Are you with or against the death penalty?
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Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:15 am
#38948- goh13Member
So, they executed 3 guys two days ago and some people are pissed off at that. On the internet anyway. It’s the first hanging since 5 years so, I really do not see what is wrong here. It is not like they keep throwing people up on ropes like wet shirts.
I dunno, I never see the wrong in killing someone who killed someone else. It is fair, after all. So anyone agrees with me? If you want to know the details of their crimes [ You sick **** ], just ask me later. I am kinda sleepy right now :p
I dunno, I never see the wrong in killing someone who killed someone else. It is fair, after all. So anyone agrees with me? If you want to know the details of their crimes [ You sick **** ], just ask me later. I am kinda sleepy right now :p
Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:45 am
#38949- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
Here in the US since people on death row get like 4 appeals or something, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:54 am
#38951- AlphaI like Pink
Death row - 17 years of provided meals and bed for murdering. Hang the m f'ers by their feet in public and let a crowd beat em with bags of soap
Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:04 pm
#38966- lilaclegendMember
- Location : not where i want to be
In principle of course.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:09 pm
#38967- KerzoR9
- Location : Scotland
yes. Would love to see it over here.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:38 pm
#38968- The CD PlayerBurn Trees
- Location : swimmin w/ the fishies
i'm all for it, and more traditional forms of it too. like hanging and firing squads.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:39 pm
#38969- chris hansonMember
I've never really thought about it enough to decide.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:11 pm
#38971- hiph0pan0tamusBUNKDRUNK
- Location : In my own little world
no
Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:13 pm
#38972- chris hansonMember
hiph0pan0tamus wrote:no
That was the equivalent of, "True or false?" .... "Yes"
Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:49 pm
#38973Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:49 pm
#38975- Mick281Member
- Location : TX
I use to be all for it until I had to do a death penalty project. To kill an individual in some states can cost up to as much as 5 million dollars at the expense of your tax dollars. Its a very lengthy process.
Like the Sandy Hook shooter, the cops should have killed his ass to prevent all the legal bullshit its going to take to execute him anyways. Plus all the money its going to cost.
Let em rot in Prison for life.
Like the Sandy Hook shooter, the cops should have killed his ass to prevent all the legal bullshit its going to take to execute him anyways. Plus all the money its going to cost.
Let em rot in Prison for life.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:05 pm
#38976- VetteBrownie
- Location : Ohio
Mick281 wrote:I use to be all for it until I had to do a death penalty project. To kill an individual in some states can cost up to as much as 5 million dollars at the expense of your tax dollars. Its a very lengthy process.
Like the Sandy Hook shooter, the cops should have killed his ass to prevent all the legal bullshit its going to take to execute him anyways. Plus all the money its going to cost.
Let em rot in Prison for life.
Prison is expensive too. We should send them to Somalia and let the pirates take care of em.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:08 pm
#38977- AlphaI like Pink
I say turn em over to the families affected and let justice be served. Or execute them on local news within a week.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:48 pm
#38979Mick281 wrote:I use to be all for it until I had to do a death penalty project. To kill an individual in some states can cost up to as much as 5 million dollars at the expense of your tax dollars. Its a very lengthy process.
Like the Sandy Hook shooter, the cops should have killed his ass to prevent all the legal bullshit its going to take to execute him anyways. Plus all the money its going to cost.
Let em rot in Prison for life.
Cost of keeping him locked up for life doesn't equal the same as killing him? hmm
Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:55 pm
#38985- simmo165Member
- Location : London
The death penalty is quite discriminatory, since the majority who are sentenced to death come from poor minorities and seems to be quite prejudiced based whether the defendant can afford a good lawyer. In the US it seems like getting the death penalty at court is bad luck in the legal lottery. Amnesty estimated that almost all the people sentenced to death could not afford their own attorney.
The Supreme Court judge Ginsburg said that people who are well represented at their trials do not get the death penalty. The system is unfair because whoever has the best lawyers can avoid the death penalty, leaving the poor more likely to face it.
I don’t agree that there should be so much finality in a punishment. Over 100 people have been released from death row, which is quite a significant number of mistakes to make when the punishment is so severe.
(Interestingly, the statistics of American cases show that prosecutors press for the death penalty more when the victim was white, and almost all executions have taken place in the South. )
The Supreme Court judge Ginsburg said that people who are well represented at their trials do not get the death penalty. The system is unfair because whoever has the best lawyers can avoid the death penalty, leaving the poor more likely to face it.
I don’t agree that there should be so much finality in a punishment. Over 100 people have been released from death row, which is quite a significant number of mistakes to make when the punishment is so severe.
(Interestingly, the statistics of American cases show that prosecutors press for the death penalty more when the victim was white, and almost all executions have taken place in the South. )
Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:03 pm
#38987- lilaclegendMember
- Location : not where i want to be
interesting facts simmo. you've done a lot more research than i have. it doesn't surprise me though that there appears to a lot of prejudice involved. probably towards poor black people.
still, i would be for the death penalty if there was undoubtable evidence. be they black, white, rich, poor, male or female.. if you take a life intentionally, than you should receive the same punishment.
still, i would be for the death penalty if there was undoubtable evidence. be they black, white, rich, poor, male or female.. if you take a life intentionally, than you should receive the same punishment.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:10 pm
#38988- hiph0pan0tamusBUNKDRUNK
- Location : In my own little world
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The majority of people executed in the US since 1976 are white (56%)
The majority of people executed in the US since 1976 are white (56%)
Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:34 pm
#38993- BlindSquirrelMember
- Location : Left Coast
No. With built-in appeals processes, court fees, investigation fees, it costs more to sentence someone to death than it does to sentence them to life in prison. Stuff 'em in a box and take away the cable tv.
Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:57 pm
#38994Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:20 am
#38996- Mick281Member
- Location : TX
Ik0n wrote:Mick281 wrote:I use to be all for it until I had to do a death penalty project. To kill an individual in some states can cost up to as much as 5 million dollars at the expense of your tax dollars. Its a very lengthy process.
Like the Sandy Hook shooter, the cops should have killed his ass to prevent all the legal bullshit its going to take to execute him anyways. Plus all the money its going to cost.
Let em rot in Prison for life.
Cost of keeping him locked up for life doesn't equal the same as killing him? hmm
They are going to sit on deathrow for 10-15 years anyways plus the trial, appeals, etc. Its going to cost more to execute him.
A life sentence is only 45 years. They will be released (If they have parole) in 15-20 years. Thanks to the 3 strikes law, US prisons are overpopulated. Got to make room for the new prisoners.
Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:40 am
#38997- sharpPUSB
- Location : City of Dreams, England
Against.
People go crazy when the state tries to have a say in what we can look at on the internet, or what size drinks can be sold in. But then are happy for the state to decide on who can live and who can die?
The Death Penalty is meant to act as a deterrent. As people are still being executed then its clearly not working.
As for 'undoubtable evidence' that really comes down to the police firstly collecting all the evidence, and then presenting it correctly. They can easily hold back things they find to make a person look more guilty. See - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (was the 70s, but if we had the death penalty...)
People go crazy when the state tries to have a say in what we can look at on the internet, or what size drinks can be sold in. But then are happy for the state to decide on who can live and who can die?
The Death Penalty is meant to act as a deterrent. As people are still being executed then its clearly not working.
As for 'undoubtable evidence' that really comes down to the police firstly collecting all the evidence, and then presenting it correctly. They can easily hold back things they find to make a person look more guilty. See - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (was the 70s, but if we had the death penalty...)
Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:13 pm
#39012- The CD PlayerBurn Trees
- Location : swimmin w/ the fishies
sharp wrote:
The Death Penalty is meant to act as a deterrent. As people are still being executed then its clearly not working.
i completely agree that is seen as a deterrent. but what is the point of a deterrent if it is an obvious bluff shown over and over again.
i'm not sure how things are in the UK right now crime wise, but with all the anti gun legislation trying to be passed there's nothing but murder this murder that in the news here. people are clearly catching on to the trend of political correctness and not seeing much consequence to killing someone. i'm curious to see what happens to all of these gun rampant murderers considering some of the situations.
not directing this solely at you sharp. i just liked your point i quoted. but to anyone against the death penalty....why should someone who ended anothers experience of life, be allowed to continue to experience their own life?
Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:59 pm
#39019- simmo165Member
- Location : London
lilaclegend wrote:interesting facts simmo. you've done a lot more research than i have. it doesn't surprise me though that there appears to a lot of prejudice involved. probably towards poor black people.
Its just a coincidence that I know because I've been volunteering with Amicus who help review cases on death row and research to help the defendant's argument in court.
@CD, even without the legal context I still think the death penalty is the wrong approach. Maybe it's just me but a lifetime in prison seems worse in many ways than getting to end it instantly. Besides its also cheaper to keep people incarcerated than to sentence them to death.
I totally understand the desire to say 'an eye for an eye' and that a murderer deserves the same treatment as his/her victims... But I would like to think we can be more humane than that.
Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:23 pm
#39020- AlphaI like Pink
They no longer deserve humanity approach. Different levels of murder to consider but if its a break in, stab kids, beat parents, light dog on fire .... that piece of shit doesn't ever deserved to be treated like a human again. Starve them to brink of death and then give enough nourishment for body to shut down. Cheap and be done with em in a month.
Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:16 pm
#39023Shouldn't cost any money to execute them.. take a gun which one of the officers has, point gun at head of guilty party, pull trigger. Just one bullet can't cost too much... people that are 100% convicted don't deserve anything more.
Criminals get treated better than the elderly in this country, it's a shame.
Criminals get treated better than the elderly in this country, it's a shame.
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